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Rita  Shin>>are we ready to start?

Kyle  Walker>>sure

Angela  Prelip>>1) Depends on what your definition of communicaiton is.  According to Attias (and many others) there is more then one definition of communicaiton

jeanette  resnik>>yeah

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Kyle  Walker>>I think the message must be clear for effective communication to occur.

Seth  Tillmon>>are we supposed to answer question #3?

Rita  Shin>>all questions

Seth  Tillmon>>ok

Angela  Prelip>>but what makes a message clear?  How are we sure the message is clear to the receiver

Rita  Shin>>through feedback

Kyle  Walker>>yup

Chelsea  Sexton>>you need at least 2 parties with some common knowledge or experience to draw from

Rita  Shin>>i agree

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Angela  Prelip>>Then how can we apply this concept to the internet? - not all elements of feedback are present

Kyle  Walker>>The sender has the most responsibility when communication is occurring.

Chelsea  Sexton>>so you need a sender, a receiver, a message,a channel that both parties have access to...

Chelsea  Sexton>>There alternative ways of feedback online...

Seth  Tillmon>>such as?\

Angela  Prelip>>But I think we take for granted that everyone understands the alternative ways

Chelsea  Sexton>>e-mail obviously, but one can also gather info by hits and return visits to a website or pages within it to determine effectiveness

Angela  Prelip>>I do not understand ?\

Chelsea  Sexton>>even tracking banner ad hits

Seth  Tillmon>>true

Kyle  Walker>>To make sure an advertisment is being seen.

Seth  Tillmon>>the internet has revolutionalized the world more than anything in a long time, unquesionably

Chelsea  Sexton>>I think we do take that for granted, but at least basic knowledge of the internet is what I was referring to as common kowledge needed by both parties to ensure a message is unterstood-

Angela  Prelip>>agree

Rita  Shin>>could we say that then "feedback" is a crucial part to knowing whether the communication process was a successful one?

jeanette  resnik>>yes

Chelsea  Sexton>>It would be the same as a written message- the requirement there would be literacy

Kyle  Walker>>Feedback is an important one

Chelsea  Sexton>>yup

Seth  Tillmon>>some form of feedback

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Kyle  Walker>>yes the people communicating must have certain basic skills

Seth  Tillmon>>I think that the feedback is there, it has just been demenished to yet another degree, just as previously with text and books

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Seth  Tillmon>>or perhaps, it has regained a degree of feedback over text on paper

Kristina  Zitkovich>>sorry...i'm late...what question are we doing.

Kyle  Walker>>starting on one

Rita  Shin>>we meet back in the Big Chat @ 7 pm...let's move on to question #2 if you guys don't mind

Kyle  Walker>>cool

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Kristina  Zitkovich>>Community building......

Kyle  Walker>>what is neccessary for community building?

Seth  Tillmon>>what is meant by community building?

Rita  Shin>>yeah, what is that?

Kyle  Walker>>???

Kristina  Zitkovich>>how does the community grow..

Chelsea  Sexton>>a common cause would be helpful for community building- something everyone can buy into or at least is affected by

Seth  Tillmon>>the internet community?

Kristina  Zitkovich>>everyone must understand the language.

Kyle  Walker>>as far as communication is concerned?

Angela  Prelip>>2) people must share the same meaning

Kyle  Walker>>similiar goals

Kristina  Zitkovich>>we could consider this class a community

Kyle  Walker>>sure

Angela  Prelip>>I agree

Frank  Rosales>>proper tools are needed

Kristina  Zitkovich>>so how could we grow together, and become more effective

Angela  Prelip>>School, family, friends

Chelsea  Sexton>>absolutely, and we have common interest in the subject to varying degrees and a common interest in a good grade

Kristina  Zitkovich>>a necessity would be a computer...:)

Kyle  Walker>>you definatley need a goal

Angela  Prelip>>to pass this class:)

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Kristina  Zitkovich>>I got BOOTED!!!!!!

Kristina  Zitkovich>>i think a goal is important

Rita  Shin>>does a community need a leader to grow?

Kyle  Walker>>common goals and attitudes

Seth  Tillmon>>accessibility, common likes, dislikes, similiar characteristics

Kristina  Zitkovich>>i don't think so

Seth  Tillmon>>something in common

Kristina  Zitkovich>>a community should grow together

Chelsea  Sexton>>I do think a leader(s) help to pull others along

Frank  Rosales>>does it need sort of laws/government

Rita  Shin>>for an organized community, i think so

Rita  Shin>>like this internet class

jeanette  resnik>>i think a community needs to identify in order to build

Chelsea  Sexton>>at least different skill sets and perspectives within the members

Rita  Shin>>we need the mediator, dr. logan, to run things smoothly

Chelsea  Sexton>>and to maintain focus

Kyle  Walker>>we've got five minutes, how about number three.

Rita  Shin>>OKay

Kristina  Zitkovich>>but.....if she wasn't there...it think we could still maintain a efffective

Kristina  Zitkovich>>class..

Frank  Rosales>>commonality among the members is needed

Angela  Prelip>>3) What is necessary for achieving social justice?

Chelsea  Sexton>>For social justice, you need a way to have each voice represented

Kyle  Walker>>what is neccessary to achieve socail justice?

Kyle  Walker>>you certainly need structure

Kristina  Zitkovich>>and agreement on what social justice is..

Angela  Prelip>>Even with structure - not everyone receives social justice

Kyle  Walker>>this is true

Chelsea  Sexton>>of course, but you need 1 and 2 to have 3

Frank  Rosales>>some sort of order

Kristina  Zitkovich>>agree

Kyle  Walker>>everyone has their own definition

Angela  Prelip>>I agree

Kristina  Zitkovich>>ya..what is social justice...

Rita  Shin>>again, does this concept need a leader?

Kyle  Walker>>hmmm..

Chelsea  Sexton>>you need to have communication to build a community, and a community will have a far more vested interest in producing social justice

Kyle  Walker>>good

Chelsea  Sexton>>at least within it's own community

Angela  Prelip>>Our country has a leader but not all receive social justice

Kristina  Zitkovich>>I think leaders...suck....I think when in situations leaders become selfish and ...

Kristina  Zitkovich>>only look for what is best for themselves

Rita  Shin>>if everyone has their own def. of soc. justice, does there need to be that one arbitrary definition

Angela  Prelip>>Everone has their own agenda

Frank  Rosales>>politics

Kristina  Zitkovich>>politics suck

Frank  Rosales>>yes

Seth  Tillmon>>it's impossible, Rita

Rita  Shin>>then can socila justice ever exist, even with all the PC standards

Kristina  Zitkovich>>so...for questions #3....

Kristina  Zitkovich>>what have we decided....

Kristina  Zitkovich>>is it possible?

Seth  Tillmon>>not everyone can be happy, so we settle with pleasing the majority, or just the side that makes the most fit

Angela  Prelip>>no

Kyle  Walker>>yes, you can't please everyone

Chelsea  Sexton>>No, but you can't count on one person to accurately represent all factions

Frank  Rosales>>right

Angela  Prelip>>no-it is not possible

Seth  Tillmon>>true

Rita  Shin>>agree

Angela  Prelip>>I am sorry, my computer is slow - I agree

Chelsea  Sexton>>in this case,the president couldn't possibly be expected to provide social justice within the country alone...

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Rita  Shin>>let's go back

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Seth  Tillmon>>ok

Kristina  Zitkovich>>good idea..

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